Where is the legal help?
Submitted by Dreamharp on Tue, 09/13/2005 - 10:44pm.
I cannot find one lawyer to give me legal advise on an old student loan.
I am close to being sued. No one will touch my case with a ten foot pole!
Why is that? I live in San Diego, Ca
I am being sought after by collectors. My old loan was for $3,650.00 in
1980. My interst now is $14,0000. The government slumbers for years
and makes it hard to communicate to them. It is a living hell and grossly
unfair.
I feel like my heart is going to give out. Can anybody relate?
Dreamharp
One idea: hire law students!
My heart goes out to you. I'm in a similar situation. I have a collection agency (ACS) suing me on a loan made 25 years ago which became uninsured (no longer federally guaranteed) 10 years ago. So the statute of limitations should apply as in the case of private student loans. It seems most attorneys have little to no knowlege about the details of the student loan industry. So rather than paying an attorney to help save me $10,000, I'm hiring a law student to do the Lexus Nexus research to see if there are any other precidents that will prove my case. If you're interested you can post these kinds of jobs at university law schools via the web. I had 10 responses within 3 hours. I know this posting is 3 years after your original, but I felt compelled to send it anyway. Perhaps it will help others as well,
Mike
Some general things
When dealing with lenders, guarantors, ED, and collection agencies, it's best to focus on facts, and not emotions.
Record phone calls (even if they aren't legally admissible evidence, it gives you records).
Keep copies of all correspondence, documents, etc.
You have the right to your accounting and payment history, copy of original promissory note, etc.
You need to have a basic understanding of how payments are applied, how interest accrues, under what circumstances interest can be capitalized, etc... statements, your promissory notes, the common manual, and HEA itself can provide you with a lot of that information.
Your loan holder is not "above the law", although they can be very good at making you think they are. Knowledge of the laws and how student loan holders generally interpret them will give you power. Ignorance is not bliss.
Helpful resources:
http://nslds.ed.gov (see your student loans, history, status, etc.)
http://www.ed.gov/policy/highered/leg/hea98/HR6.pdf (The Higher Education Act)
http://www.edfund.org/pdfs/ICM0307.pdf (Common Manual...how the lenders and guarantors interpret the HEA, common policies, etc.)
old loan
In 1982 I got a texas guaranteed loan, I had a GED & scored high on the test the technical school gave us so they said I could also recieved a grant. there were 6 semeaters;1st 2 were tv studio & then 4 electronic technition. we had a great teacher & we crammed 6wks into 4 so we would have 8wks for the 2nd electronics semester because it was the most vital in this field. At the beginning of the 2nd electronic semester & having 2 extra wks, the good teacher left(don't know why) but the new teacher(HA!!)was not even in class enough to teach us anything, so we wrote a letter to the school. They said we were just lazy & didn't want to learn. we lost all that time;we has spent so-much time & money at this point, that none of us knew what to do,but 3 quit.Finally one of the upper management guys at the school tryed to back track all we had missed & the teacher for the last semester tryed to teach us the stuff for last semester (all in the last semester) but it was just to much. I had $30.00 a month for food,hygene,ect. for 2 people,dug in the furniture hopping to find change to get bread at the dayold bread store & walked to get it; my size 1 pants just hug on me; I just could not go on living like that.I had perfect attendance certificates for about 22wks, was the only female & in the top 3 in my class. I didn't know who to cantact either but When I got my 1st letter for repayment I wrote a letter back & (I still have it), I made copies & sent them to: texas & chicago board of education, wacovia,& the texas Guarantor about no training, ect.I never heard from them again so I thought they had settelled it with the school, after 20yrs my employer got a letter from an attorney to garnish my wages.They said it started at 4,000.00 but is 13,000.00 now & earning $30.00 a month intrest. It is so aparent that there was not an investigation because a blind man could have seen it & all the other classes could have verifyed the truth, why were they not contacted? Why was I not contacted for questioning, my last name was the same for 10 yrs, I filed taxes every yr, & my parents lived at the same place. I did get a job at a tv station in Nowhere USA but my brother-in-law had to let me go because they needed someone with the techinical part as-well.Yes I was fired & someone else with technical training that I was supose to have gotten but did not was hired in my place.I'm 38,Single mom of a 6yr old & work in a School,in an extremely low-income District & state,take care of disabled friend who hasn't been able to get disability. I was nearly killed by drunk driver. I have back, neck, arm & knee problems. When I took my child to get counceling because of the divorce, the councelor saw how stressed I was trying to make ends meet, the threat of wage garnishment, ECT., that he sent me to one.I was cheated out of an education, time, money & a good job by the gov.dept.over education; it wasn't there fault for what the school did but it was there fault that they did not investigate & set the record straight 20yrs ago.I have written them all again, plus a senator, 2 govoners one said that they don't like to get involved(do they think we like not getting a timely investigation & updated on what they have done so we could have resolved this yrs ago)& free legal will not do anything either they just said there is a file but it is closed & the school closed in about 1994 I believe.they stopped last year but are at it again. Those are our tax dollars paying their wages & our tax dollars going out in loans & grants. Is there a statue of limitation or anything on any of this.
big time relate...been at this for 20 years
I knew I was deep in crap by 1990...I have been to lawyers, accountants, senator, congress....it feels so alone out there....this is new hope here folks....I get a bit renewed. Been there done that on the despair....pretty bad. Hang in there for now this is a growing paradigm/ growing group of enough people to fight back...I am counting on all of you....this has been one long f'ing nightmare
reply to dreamharp
I also cannot find any lawyers to take this on. I think this is because the battle is with city hall, and you know what the old saying is.
In my case, and I'm sure in other cases, the Dept of Ed and a private lender have actually done some illegal maneuvering and they must be fairly sure that they are safe from litigation.
The situation worries me as well, but I am at the point that I am going to send the Dept a certified letter that I have paid back the principal and then some, and then declare all other liens against me illegal.
After that they can only take 10% of my income (they've been getting a fourth and then slapped me with an illegal "collection charge" because of a few missed payments- how's that for "working things out"?) and they can't take my house and my car.
Like many Americans we will die in debt, but I know I do more good in one day as an instructor at a community college than any of the pencil-pushing morons who collect debts do in an entire lifetime. I guess we'll just have to live for our ideals and battle the ignorant and avaricious the best we can. However, a class action lawsuit would also do just fine.
You have a lot of company...
Literally millions of people can relate to your circumstance, and yet nothing has been done. Why can't you find a lawyer to give you legal advice? Because the probability of achieving a successful outcome is so remote. Federal bankruptcy laws are stacked against you, offering virtually no hope of discharging your debt. Student loan lenders are unwilling to negotiate resolutions regarding federally guaranteed student loans because the federal government will assume responsibility for the loan and pay off the lender if the borrower defaults and is unable to resolve the default. Congress and the U.S. Department of Education have established and continue to maintain a student loan system that serves the interests of private industry at the expense of student loan borrowers, resulting in the gross unfairness you and so many other borrowers have experienced.
Your situation is a prime example of why we believe the most effective strategy will be a class action lawsuit on behalf of student loan borrowers. Your post suggests harm related to the capitalization of interest. What specific types problems have you experienced in communicating with the government? Has your credit rating been harmed? Any additional harms you could tell us about will be helpful.
Class Action Lawsuits
Hello,
I think that if we organize a campaign to contact consumer advocate organizations then there may be a possibility of getting such a lawsuit off the ground. A letter-writing campaign to the politicians should also be part of the strategy.
34 CFR 685.206(c) offers provisions for borrower defense, but the Eucation Department (ED) will try to go around it. Don't forget: some of their counsels may have been graduates of the universities that messed you up, or they may be prospective employees (guess: as attorneys) there. I have found at least one instance where a counsel made a career move from the ED to the very university I had complained about.
The questions is: how do you organize a class action lawsuit if it (34 CFR) involves violation of state laws. According to this regulation, you do not really have to sue but demonstrate that the school had violated laws of your state. Therefore, state-side help may also be needed.
Student Loan Harm(extortion)
I took out my student loan in 1980 at a junior community college to
take a dietetic program that I took 9 units in and the program fell
apart. I was in my 20s when I signed for the loan. It was for $3,650
dollars. I had no counseling to inform me I was signing a legal document
with the government.
I ended up with a min.wage job and the rent for my apartment took
most of my money. I could not afford a car and ate beans for food.
I could not pay on my loan so it ended in default.
I had no knowledge on how to contact the government or lender. I
didn't have a clue on what the terms meant such as forbearence or
deferment. I did try to make payments but I never received a
summary of my account and now I realize the lender doesn't have to
send any statements or communication on your debt. (so unfair)
I tried to file bankruptcy on the loan in 1985 but the loan was not
old enough. (had to be over 7 years) I figured I would file later on.
I ended up getting married and had triplets and a small toddler to
raise. I was so stressed from the babies I didn't think of the loan
which I regret to this day. However, I was sick a lot with horrible
sinus infections and low immunity and caught every bug around.
The government keeps the loan in limbo for many years ( I really
think they want the years to pass so they can get all that interest,
late fees etc. I got so sick I had to legally separate from my husband
and move near my family. I have not workd for over 20 years. I
only receive child support. Out of the blue a collector was dunning
me on my student loan in 1997. Now I am dirt poor with 4 kids,
and unemployed. The collector demanded over $8,000. I saw a lawyer
that wrote them a letter but the collector and California State Aid
Commission would not communicate about the loan. I wrote letters and
they wrote back and claimed I had to pay all of the loan with
late fees, interest etc. I was too broke to file bankruptcy in 1997.
The lawyer did not tell me the law would change in 1998 and no one
would be able to file bankruptcy. If I had known I would of used my credit card to file.
To communicate with the government is almost impossible. It wasn't
until I had the internet that I had a phone number for the Federal
Stuent Aid. There are over 20 numbers to call and they claim there
is only one way, pay up, fines and all! The ombudsman with the
Board Of Education just recites your loan debt and gives a number or
two to call. Which gives you a person that notes your debt and claims
nothing can be done. My loan is so old it is not on my credit report.
However, collectors do a public search and that does ruin my credit
score-even to this day over 25 years the collector will search my
assets. I have none. No job, sick, and have no rights and just about
to end up homeless. I live in California where rent is very high.
Thankfully there is section 8. but I fear that will be swept from me
because of my student debt.
I had a collector call and demanded I pay him $900.00 and $450.00
a month. I told him I was going to consolidate my loan in the con-
tingent program. The collector claimed I couldn't do this and claimed
the loan will alwyas be on his desk with high interest rates. He
demanded my credit card and debt card to take money. He made threats
that claiming my application for any other program will be denyed
stating the loan is in federal status. (whatever that means) I was
so sick and feel so dizzy I can barely function. The situation really
promotes deep depression and a lot of health issues.
I called the Dept. Of Education and they claimed I could get into
the program so an application is being sent out. This is where I
am today on this loan. My payment will probably be low so I will
be paying all interest for the rest of my life. The bill will never
get payed off. The government has all the rights in their favor.
I am so thankful I found this forum. Why is there so few people on it?
I am discouraged because I thought there would be lots of people
posting on this forum with problems like mine. I would love to see
a class action lawsuit for extortion of defaulted student loans.
Creditboards.com
I found always alot of help in this forum , use studentloan forum!
Gio7707, Just what I was looking for!
Thanks for mentioning Creditboards, I just had some important information
answered.
We need to spread the word
"I am so thankful I found this forum. Why is there so few people on it?
I am discouraged because I thought there would be lots of people
posting on this forum with problems like mine. I would love to see
a class action lawsuit for extortion of defaulted student loans."
Dreamharp;
There are a lot of people with the same problems... and there are going to be even more as time goes on. I see students everyday who are $30,000 in SL debt and I hear them say, "it's just student loan debt."
Boy do they have a rude awakening.
I, like yourself, signed for my financial aid without having any clue that it was in any way related to the federal government.
After some college, I consolidated my student loans with Unipac in 1988 and made 3 years of payments. Then one day my payment was sent back to me as undeliverable. So I called their numbers which didn't work.
I could not find out anything about the status of the loan. There was no internet to log onto.
In 1995, I had returned to college, and I got a letter from salliemae saying they had acquired my Unipac loan, and it was tripled in size. I immediately called them to tell them about the mistake and they said it was no mistake. When they acquired the loan they had to add back interest...
Well, that is just part of my story. I could write pages and pages.
Anyway, I just found this forum last night (10/3) and I am ready and willing to spread the word. We need to stick together and show this country that unregulated student loan violations will not be tolerated.
We can do it, but we have to stick together, and get people to tell their stories as well.
It's America's dirty little secret, and we need to try and raise awareness about it. There are so many of us, and when the idea reaches a certain threshold, there will be a tidal wave of stories of the wrongs of the student loan payback system. Then the government will have to take notice... that, along with some lawsuits and we will be instrumental in fixing this problem for ourselves and the next generation.
Perhaps some financial compensation for us is in order as well!
I don't know much about class action lawsuits, but I'm going to find out. Along with the knowledgeable people already here, I think we can make a difference!
Yes, OUTREACH is what we need
Dave_C, it's great to have you on board. Your UNIPAC/Sallie Mae story is an excellent example of how the student loan industry has been structured by the federal government (Congress and the Department of Education) to favor private industry profiteers at the expense of student loan borrowers.
We're so glad you found us! If we ALL take some hours, however many, each week to spread the word, I am 100% convinced we will succeed. The extent to which we will achieve our mission will be directly related to the size of our membership. There are over 16 million people in the U.S. with federally guaranteed (or federally insured - thanks, pollyrobin) student loans, and untold millions more with private student loans. Internet message boards, chat rooms, and email messages to university students and other interested populations offer excellent opportunities to SPREAD THE WORD. We will be posting a .pdf flyer for download in the near future which can be used for physical posting on bulletin boards, handing out to students standing in line at university financial aid offices or at various university events, putting on windshields of cars, etc., etc. We'll let everyone know when it's available.
Welcome aboard, Dave!